As in, you go to jail illegal. These laws will not be legal under US law, because US congress is not permitted to make a law abridging an act of speaking, or expressing an idea, or opinion. > Ideally finance is meant to be about allocation of capital. With such moderation tagging in place, for example, if I wanted to use Reddit but mistrust moderators, with an open treatment of data, I would be able to select to ignore their rating/per entry and use ratings by a group of users I select. It is not market manipulation for short interest to rise above 100%. Thing is no one is going to prosecute a randomer on the internet for throwing $5k at an option especially when there's no proof that it was done in bad faith. And then you have different layers of protocol that are all more or less centralized. And those least likely to understand the point are also probably the ones buying into the stock late (and at an inflated price). Or as a neo nazi once said to me: "we want to establish the old power again, so we can silence you. Do you want a change in this society? Everyone upset about this should stop using discord. Discord is not a public utility. No beginners guides apart from the mundane how to create an account. This is a very widespread misunderstanding. Oh yeah, and cryptocurrencies. Recently, we’ve seen a steady increase in this violent content on your website, all of which violates our terms. Really? i tried getting invite again and it said i was banned They don't make laws for this any more, it will be stopped by some obscure regulatory agency. It is egregious what Discord did. This is trickier than it might sound, because you are in some sense restricting the rights and capabilities of some subset of the shares. Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25933543. If you want to engage in adult debate, please refrain from personal accusations and strawmen. FT is claiming many are “alt-right” all of a sudden. as soon as this private property has become a public service, yes. It's messed up when there are auto-banning bots that hit those with disabilities for speaking out on the issues they face in everyday life. But colour me unconvinced on this one. I think it's reasonable for people to want to limit that. Moderator of r/gmod Archived. Context is fuzzy when nesting comments like this. "Retard" is considered a slur by some. Beyond this, I'm sure there are many funds who try and successfully manipulate the markets, but they try to do it quietly. "Turns out that Discord doesn't like people using the terms "Retard" and "Autist" in a disparaging way.". That includes PnL stuff but equally applies to...well, all the other stuff. There's discussion of WIN setting up a wallstreetbets.win site, like /r/thedonald did after they were banned. > Let's wait six months. i would really appreciate it if you did i just woke up checked dc and im banned. And that sort of thing is very unusual Yes, it is, it's an abusive short squeeze, which is market manipulation. That's different, practically and morally, from NBC not giving them a TV show. (Similar to ISPs) Then everything should be allowed until a judge tells otherwise. This is the first time netizens capitalize on hedge fund short favorites and it has been surprisingly easy to cause an absolute catastrophy in the order of billion losses for them. Possibly. If, instead of squashing them, we figured out the underlying problem, which almost always is lack of prospects, we can act accordingly. Tips(Missing Textures) No your game isn't broken, and no you didn't do anything wrong. Discord did lend these people their megaphone, though. Considerations for an investment bank is quite different from the considerations for a game retailer. Basically what we probably have now is a behavior that is legal so long as no one engages in it. For them tolerating others is a vehicle to convince them of their cause: Once they have what they want they will get rid of it. I don't understand how you came to think that considering that in your previous post there is no criticism of discords TOS. So here’s a minor clarification for you: The short interest (140% or more for GME) is calculated on the public float. I don't see how this is different than what is constantly being criticized such as flash crashes, contagion and large moves based on rumors, other than the group benefiting (fiscally irresponsible internet strangers vs fiscally irresponsible professionals). That means that when they decide to buy back the stock to close their shorts, they will need to buy every single stock of the company, return it to the people who lent them their stock, and those people will have to now sell it, so they can buy it again to return it to other people. If I go to a widely publicized open forum and say: "Let's go and squeeze the shorts so that they go bankrupt, oh and here's a picture of me doing just that." Nothing. It just means that some shares will have to change hands more than once to close the shorts. Join our Discord server, using the following invite link: discord.gg/hive; Type the code you received in a private message to The Hive (Bot), on Discord. I think much of it is about having some fun and having a sense of community. The masses realizing this is at all possible. WSB is an open space[1], accessible to ordinary retail investors. That is exactly what censorship is, you don't like how they're acting or what they're saying so you censor them by kicking them out. Telling people what is inappropriate to do with their money is a great way to get them to do it more. As soon as the printing press was invented that allowed people to share ideas freely you had revolts against them all over the next few centuries leading to representative democracies and republics, the enlightenment and development of ideas such as human dignity and individual rights, diversity of religion in the west took hold, the end of theocratic rule over Europe, and it all culminated in the creation of the US and an end to global colonialism mid 20th century. > Why wouldn't someone be allowed to lend out a security they own to someone else? This is like basic common sense. But when Andy Spano ran for county executive in Westchester County, N.Y., he put every press release and position paper onto a bulletin board. This is literally (translated from a very thick accent in Austrian German) what one of the neo nazis said to me after the 8th beer and a heated discussion. This exactly what stock market speculation is about, is it? No? So it's simple to discover and execute, and there is a financial incentive, and it's not against the law. You can replace "real" with physical. But in this case, it’s a perfect analogue, that illustrates why decrying censorship here is odd. They'll say that a private company has the right to it's property and then in the next breath call them evil for having a lot of property and demand that they get taxed out of existence. Where does discord say it's for free discussion? Thousands of such online communities, and you only throw out the ones that threaten your hedge fund? Not everyone shares your ideas about what the "best" and most "free" discussions are. To make the cinema comparison work: There is a cinema. Those brokerage accounts loan the shares out and collect some interest %%% while waiting. share. A whole bunch of people who are just learning and are doing crazy things. Bad reporting all around. So long as the people holding the non-public portion allowed their shares to be borrowed, then nothing illegal is going on. It doesn't help that a lot of things financial mechanics are esoteric and not commonly known, or that most people don't know the difference between hedge funds, banks, market makers and brokers. Why do we have them in the physical world? It would have been an amazingly stupid idea which likely would not have been approved by existing shareholders anyway and would have had much the same effect as shorting. Of course, they could dictate a really high price if the public market volume isn’t enough to close out the short positions in the standard three day period. Governments will simply crack down on any site which does not do what the politicians demand and better yet they have a ready made army of SJWs who will name and shame anyone they can identify; or if your reddit totally botch it and name the wrong people. Do you believe in it's right to give power to somebody, whether it will be a government, private party, or a class to rule over allocation of capital, and decide whose capital allocation is good, and whose capital allocation is bad? This is not true. Seriously. The large hedge funds will be fine, we might see a few bailouts, and life will go on. As if an IRC channel wouldn't be shut down if it threatened oligopoly profits... All of the big social media networks are corporate property. Maybe I want to proudly hang it at my door. And rightfully so. I've heard many people advocate for compulsory military service for a few years for every citizen to. Banning every single idea besides a pre-approved list of topics? Their community guidelines are part of their terms of service. Selfbots are officially banned. When a change comes, it may not happen in a predictable way. On the internet, bans are quiet and you can easily silence a large chunk of the userbase without making a noise. It's like everyone forgot the old battle-tested Warhorses. My point? @Nareth_Ralien @TehForbidden @SheriBotOffical I had to log in with a discord account for whatever reason, but after that i was able to report without issue. Arguments like these are all to often made out of convenience, but should be made in good faith and on principle. save. I think you're confused. [0] https://www.wsj.com/articles/big-banks-paid-110-billionin-mo... Then why would any company ever get sued? There was a bunch of rowdy types running around with their shirts off and a bunch of old people taking selfies. I'm slightly sceptical, because with open standards you still need to do moderation somehow. Short-sellers betting on its fall were making money as the management was doing little to arrest the losses. My prediction is reddit will shutdown wsb because that's what reddit does. All the services offered by Discord are strictly capped too. I was simply replaying to your statement that: "Discord reacted to how the platform they had already given was being used.". Ideally communism is a stateless moneyless classless society, let's get working on dissolving the state then? Ideally finance is meant to be about allocation of capital. It's just... so easy. GameStop, Blackberry, Nokia, AMC, they're all affected and I'm just counting days of developments here. However it's still not a great look that the firm can be put in such a position. The difference is retail is going to win AND there's no backroom deal to be made to stop the bleeding. Then they are lacking empathy and being short-sighted. Discord and Reddit in this case, even if they're not banned from Reddit yet, is their only means of communicating with eachother. That may be true, but this isn't going to end well for the average consumer. Never thought its gonna get to a point where i have to explain individual liberty in the west. It’s not just weirdos and trump supporters. This is the first time netizens capitalize on hedge fund short favorites and it has been surprisingly easy to cause an absolute catastrophy in the order of billion losses for them. By your standard every newspaper, every TV channel, every website that refuses to publish my views is censoring me. If Melvin does go down it will be its own success, but now they're going full vigilante investor mode, and putting money in BB, AMC etc... this won't stop unless the State intervenes and could set a precedent and as you say create a 'watershed moment.'. A drop in the bucket of internet users, Except the overlap in many of those communities is HUGE. Just clarifying this point. Explaining to people less experienced than myself how a short squeeze works? Some understand the market microstructure and the various levers they have to make the price move using what is effectively leverage. Your CEO recently stated publicly that he doesn’t “feel responsible for any of this, and neither should the platform.”" I'm not arguing that shutting down or regulating is the best solution, but it is the most likely outcome. Use the money to get the expertise, and you already have the brand and attention, which is now worth a lot more. I wanted to get some reasonable people to follow based on my interests (programming, tech, philosophy, etc), but I couldn't really find how to find these people. And how to do it? Not to be that guy, but I grew up in Austria inbetween old Nazis and young Neo-Nazis. This seems to be easily solvable by just making moderation an opt-out default. 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